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Attendees
Organization | Name |
Orange | |
Charter Communications | |
CableLabs | |
Telefonica | |
Vodafone | |
Ericsson | |
AT&T | |
T-Mobile US | |
KDDI | Yusuke Nakano |
Slagen | |
Nokia | |
China Telecom | @furong chen |
ZTE | |
KPN | |
GSMA | @reg cox |
Centilion | |
Chunghwa Telecom | |
Deutsche Telekom | |
MTN | |
China Mobile | Ruobei Wang Xie Xin |
Verizon | Mahesh Chapalamadugu Joshua Markham |
PlektonLabs |
Agenda Proposal
Approval of minutes of last conf. call
Recent Updates & Recap
Review of Action Points
Discussion
OGW APIs: #35 (5G New Calling), #50 (Device Management), #63 (IMEI Fraud), #91 (Fixed lines in Device Location APIs), #93 (Line Eligibility for Carrier Billing API), #95 (IoT SIM Status Mgmt API), #96 (IoT SIM Fraud Prevention API), #97 (IoT SMS send API)
Other APIs: #17 (Consent and Measurement), #23 (Carrier Wholesale Pricing), #24 (Steering of Roaming Information), #89 (IP High-throughput Elastic Network)
Governance: #4 (Structures and roles, RACI, Maintainers initiative)
Closing Issues
AoB
Q&A
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To close the agenda SEVEN DAYS BEFORE the conf. call.
In case a WG participant wants to include a point in the agenda (e.g., present a new API proposal), this participant shall ensure the corresponding issue is opened in Github by then.
Exceptional situations will be treated separately.
New schedule of conf. calls **The meetings are to be held by Linux Foundation (Links available at GitHub and Confluence Backlog front pages)
2nd Thursday of the month (10-11 CET9-10:30 UTC)
4th Thursday of the month (15-16 CET:30 UTC)
Send agenda to TSC mail list, to encourage more TSC member companies to join the call and provide comments when they identify APIs which are of interest for them.
Meeting Minutes within Wiki instead of Github
CAMARA community agreed that meeting minutes would only be recorded in the wiki
Approval of minutes of last conf. call
Minutes of last API backlog WG call available here
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New API proposals are included in backlog table when template PR is created, linking to the pending PR
PR will be merged as soon as ready for TSC, and should be merged before TSC review
API enhancements requires existing group’s validation. TSC is informed accordingly to validate
Link and status in backlog table will be updated accordingly
Approval of minutes of last conf. call
Minutes of last API backlog WG call available here
DECISION: Approved
Recent Updates & Recap
TSC meeting 17th October:
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Issue # | Company | Summary | Status Update | |||||||||
Centillion | New Proposal for Authorization for Advertisements, Advertisements Consent, and Measurement The API template is available in PR#73. | Published new standards, Next meeting (this time) Nick will bring all the documentation and present everything putted together The issue is not eligible to be closed yet. Pending to provide a concrete API description into the API proposal template Action: Clarifying with interested parties whether this may be a possible API or a Framework etc. AP: provide required information and examples MEETING UPDATE:Not treated Nick Venezia : Framework proposal including different APIs that may interact with existing ecosystem. Pending to provide info, work expected to be started in 1Q25 | ||||||||||
Governance | Adapt Project StructuresAndRoles.MD to changes in API backlog table (reduction of comments) The aim is to update the governing document to reflect on the updated changes on API submission pipeline, according to the new structure of the API backlog table. | PR is uploaded: New APIbacklog.md by TEF-RicardoSerr · Pull Request #80 · camaraproject/APIBacklog (github.com) PR to be checked and confirmed before issue can be closed Action: Partners to review and validate MEETING UPDATE: | TelecomsXChange | Close the issue as table already updated in:
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TelecomsXChange | New Proposal: Carrier Wholesale Pricing The API template is available in PR#77 First YAML available here | The issue was not treated in this conference call The issue is not eligible to be closed yet. ACTION: Backlog Governance to reach up TelecomXchange to see if the could connect next meetings MEETING UPDATE: Not treated | ||||||||||
Netfocusin Technologies | New Proposal: Steering of Roaming Management The API template is available in PR#78
| Does not seem to be in the Scope of Camara. Not an east-west (not between telcos) Already included in 3GPP as technical viable (provided in comment) The issue is not eligible to be closed yet. ACTION: Check for support/commitment from the partners (technical implementation approach important) Meeting Update: Not treated | ||||||||||
China Mobile | 5G New Calling The API template is available PR#31 | Telefonica and Vodafone willing to see the presentation to check whether there is support for this To be treated in next session (still pending for providing extra info) Presentation of current proposal was shared in the meeting. Slides to be included in PR#31. G. Murat Karabulut asked about the proposal been part of WebRTC enhancement or new API → new API. Eric Murray asked about examples of 3rd parties in this API flow → app invoquing API to request or activate features, which can be enabled or not by the telco. Mark Cornall raised the existance of a 5G New Calling project in GSMA: https://www.gsma.com/get-involved/gsma-foundry/5g-new-calling/ & 5GNCTF Meeting#1 ACTION: Operators open to comment/ask for clarification and support the API. Eric Murray asks for user stories that can explain the behaviour of the proposed API, as not clear how this interacts with the proper 5G New Calling standard and how it solves the features that are proposed. AP for Haojie Li MEETING UPDATE: https://github.com/camaraproject/WebRTC/issues/52 to discuss win WebRTC about relationship new information to be uploaded and treated in next session | ||||||||||
Verizon | Device Management The API template is available PR#30 | The issue was not treated in this conference call The issue is not eligible to be closed yet. Action to contact Verizon to ensure participation in next backlog meeting API proposal presented by Mahesh Chapalamadugu , clarified this proposal is targeted for IoT device management to activate/deactivate/manage the connection of those devices. ACTION:Mahesh Chapalamadugu to upload current yaml for clarification in PR#30, and present again in next meeting. Mahesh Chapalamadugu AP to upload documentation MEETING UPDATE: | Slides presented by Mahesh Chapalamadugu & @joshua Slide will be uploaded and reviewed offline before approval | |||||||||
MTN | New API proposal - IMEI Fraud The API template is available PR#64 | This API was presented already and included in an existing group but no work was done so discontinued. Now Rebecca is presenting the proposal seeking for support DeviceCheck GSMA proposal overlaps this IMEI Fraud will offer more information to developers than GSMA Device Check service. MTN and other supporters should meet with GSMA to discuss if proceeding with this API within CAMARA still makes sense. Request for meeting already sent by GSMA to MTN Outcome of meeting awaited before deciding if this API proposal should proceed in CAMARA
Eric Murray : (IMEI status) service related, but GSMA is ok for this proposal. ACTION: Pending from MTN for moving on with this API. Maybe to be included in the Device Identifier family. @reg no further information from MTN, consider to de-prioritize, pending to further update Any other operator open to take the lead of this API is welcomed MEETING UPDATE: No update (pending) | ||||||||||
China Mobile | IP High-throughput Elastic Network The API template is available in PR#90 | Supporting document (presented) https://github.com/camaraproject/APIBacklog/raw/0a447dd4c53d0c675f8d72fc5622ff65eb48f7e3/documentation/SupportingDocuments/APIproposal_IP-high-throughput-elastic-network_ChinaMobile.pptx Jan Friman asked about the relation of this proposal with current CAMARA’s APis dedicated to network config (QoD, slice booking…). @qiuhai explained that this proposal is focused on enabling new network technologies like Srv6 Mark Cornall shared comments about the technology dependence on QoD solutions Kevin Smith & Jorge Garcia Hospital asked for more details on the difference with current proposals METING MEETING UPDATE: Pending review from Kevin about responses in the PR. Jorge Garcia Hospital raised concerns about technology dependancy in this API proposal | ||||||||||
Telefonica | Line Eligibility for Carrier Billing API The API template is available in PR#94 | METING MEETING UPDATE: No comments received, issue to be opened in carrier billing subgroups to confirm scope ehancement | ||||||||||
China Telecom | IoT SIM Status Mgmt API The API template is available in PR#105 | METING MEETING UPDATE: | Relationship with device management proposal, to confirm relationship. AP: China Telecom | |||||||||
China Telecom | IoT SIM Fraud Prevention API The API template is available in PR#103 | METING MEETING UPDATE: Jorge Garcia Hospital is it required to create a new set of APIs only for IoT devices or can they live in the existing groups? Eric Murray agrees, device status can take in charge of this new parameters, check first with this subgroup https://github.com/camaraproject/DeviceStatus AP: China Telecom | ||||||||||
China Telecom | IoT SMS send API The API template is available in PR#104 | METING MEETING UPDATE: |
Closing Issues
Jorge Garcia Hospital Mahesh Chapalamadugu requires to validate this proposal with existing SMS Send API https://github.com/camaraproject/ShortMessageService AP: China Telecom |
Closing Issues
AP #
AP Owner
AP description
Related issue
Status
20240523-01
API Backlog Governance
Backlog Governance to reach up TelecomXchange & Netfocusin to see if the could connect next meetings
Open
20240711-04
MTN/Chenosis
IMEI Fraud: Check the material shared by Eric/GSMA regarding DeviceCheck, and validate the inclusion of the API in the Device Identifier group
IMEI Fraud will offer more information than GSMA Device Check service. MTN and other supporters should meet with GSMA to discuss if proceeding with this API within CAMARA still makes sense. Request for meeting already sent by GSMA.
Action to remain open until after meeting with GSMA is held
Meeting Update: Waiting for more updates, any other operator open to join
Open
20240801-04
Vodafone
Scope Enhancement for Network info:
To clarify if new API is proposed in the Device Status Family or it's an enhancement over an existing API.
To clarify it's relationship with Open Gateway Telco Finder API.
Kevin opened PR #72 to complement Issue #66. Both still open.
Noel commented that this is likely to be accepted
New repository is likely to be required
Action to stay open until PR#72 is decided
Meeting Update: Closed as per issue update
Closed
20240808-01
Ericsson
Dedicated Networks: Eric to check with Miranda in Issue #60 if her preference is for separate sub-projects, or for DN to join NSB sub-project
No response yet
Meeting Update: Closed as per issue update
Closed
20240822-01
Telefonica
Consent URL API: Discussion to follow offline in the issue/PR around Consent URL API use cases/user stories
To hold a separated ad-hoc meeting to clarify the scope and need of the API (conclusions to be shared with backlog before any further decision)
Meeting Update: Closed as per issue update
Closed
20240822-02
Vodafone
Scope Enhancement for Network info:
Kevin opened PR#72 to complement Issue 66. Both still open about destination of API
Device Status group to confirm, TSC will review the match or alignment with Telco finder (GSMA)
Meeting Update: Closed as per issue update
Issue # | Company | Summary | Status Update | ||||
T-Mobile US | Capability and Runtime Restrictions The API template is available in PR#74 | It was accepted by the TSC to treat this as a new API Initial YAML files to be included in the API TEMPLATE
MEETING UPDATE: TSC Decision: Ask to G. Murat Karabulut to provide some examples where this API will be useful. To be revisited during the after-next TSC meeting . | |||||
Totogi | New Proposal: Receive SMS The API template is available in PR#75 |
Seems to fit in the SMS as a new scope enhancement The issue is not eligible to be closed yet. ACTION: Ricardo to formally proceed with the scope enhancement os the SMS group MEETING UPDATE:
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China UnicomTelefonica | New API Proposal: Shutdown ServiceStatus (SubscriptionStatus)Telco Scoring The API template is available in PR#32 | DECISION Separate Repos should be created but same family (KYC) in order to have coordination meeting Pending to confirm codeowner/maintainers for repo creation, email sent Included in today's TSC approval. ACTION Pending to validate remaining codeOwner MEETING UPDATE: @Ryaaan308 pending to get included into maillist | |||||
KDDI | Number Recycling The API template is available 55 | Pending Codeowners and maintainers (requested in comment) MEETING UPDATE: Group created and participants included, issue to be deleted. → PR merged | |||||
Cablelabs | New API proposal - Quality by Design The API template is available #71 | Proposal is that QbD be a scope enhancement to Connectivity Insights Will likely require new API, hence new repository required QdD supporters will attend Connectivity Insights meeting next week to finalise proposal Awaiting outcome of Connectivity Insights meeting before finalising if new repository required
DECISION :
MEETING UPDATE: Group created and participants included, issue to be deleted. → PR to be merged | |||||
Telefonica | New API Proposal: Telco Scoring The API template is available PR#42 Input from OGW Drop 4 | Presented slides: API-Overview-TelcoScore.pptx The API seems to not fit within KYC and new sg should be created. Support is required, feel free Scoring can be calculated both with any user registered in the telco. Less information means less scoring, Algorithm may be different for each of the implementators (MNO) ACTION: Toshi validate if This API may fit within KYC API family → The issue was raised but still under discussion →(Toshi's proposal 20240627) In API Backlog 20240613 meeting, Jorge TEF and Toshi KDDI agreed that the API does not fit within the existing KYC-SP. Then, in KYC-SP 20240625 meeting, that was shared within KYC-SP and there was no objection. Closed. Pending meeting with DT to seek for support. ACTION Noel to come back to TEF Telefonica manage to find the support of VDF (Kevin confirmed in the chat also) and DT if no objections. The name should be readressed, Jorge was prposing Telco Index to avoid using legal restrictions for using words "Credit" and "Scoring". Nick propose Telco Trust → Discussing this in the issue ofline. Tanja (note in chat on behalf of Release Mgmt): Reminder to not use Telco specific terms in API names. To avoid: Telco, operator, CSP, subscriber, customer, EMEI, UE, etc. Pending:
MEETING UPDATE: Pending to merge PR | |||||
Ericsson | New API proposal-Dedicated Networks The API template is available PR#59 | Thorsten presented the proposal: Material here  There have been a similar work in a TMF API. Pierre offered himself to Thorsten to reach up DECISION New repo/subproject to be created and a family that groups both NSB and DN ACTION Telefonica providing comments this afternoon and moving to TSC → Action complete Comments from TEF addressed in Issue PR#60 ACTION: Eric to check with Miranda in Issue PR#60 if her preference is for separate sub-projects, or for DN to join NSB sub-project No response regarding this, pending to response MEETING UPDATE: Discussion regarding separate or not separate repos. Telefonica supports having separate repos but having the conversation in the same forum as part of a unified family DECISION: Move to tsc taking care of this comment and expecting the administrative work to be clarified there. Someone for NSB group (Huawei, China etc.) should be connecting tsc that day at least to be aware of this ACTION: Thorsten to reach up NSB group by it mailing list proposing to join the TSC meeting. Next TSC meetings: 19/09/24 at 16:00 CEST / 14:00 UTC / 07:00 PST 03/10/24 at 10:00 CEST / 08:00 UTC / 01:00 PST Pending: Codeowners and Maintainers to be included MEETING UPDATE: Group created and participants included, issue to be deleted. → PR to be merged | |||||
Vodafone | Scope Enhancement for Network info The API template is available PR#72 | To clarify if new API is proposed in the Device Status Family or it's an enhancement over an existing API. To clarify its relationship with Open Gateway Telco Finder API → Kevin opened PR#72 to complement Issue PR#66. Both still open. Noel commented that this is likely to be accepted New repository is likely to be required Comments have been provided in the issue
Device status WG, as part of Device status reachability, considered this enhancement. Device Status Issue143 Pending: Enhancement proposal to be updated by Kevin Smith according to final scope agreed in Device Status group, TSC to be informed about final decision. MEETING UPDATE: As all solved, issue to be deleted → PR to be merged | Deutsche Telekom | Seek for support ACTION: See if there is any overlap within EdgeCloud ACTION: Nick (centillion) to review with Noel (DT) about the match of use cases and consider support. DECISION API to be de-prioritised following de-prioritisation by OGW, but to remain in backlog. Issue to remain open. MEETING UPDATE: Not treated | Telefonica | New API proposal - Consent URL The API template is available PR#67 | China Mobile | China Mobile presented the API ACTION: To include support from ZTE and Huawei. Proposals in good shape for been moved to TSC approval, Haojie Li asked for one additional round for more clarifications and comments. MEETING UPDATE: Haojie Li proposes to move to next TSC for approval → Agreed | China Mobile |
As per 83
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As per 83 | China Mobile |
As per 83 | Telefonica | Fixed Lines in Location The API template is available in PR#92 |
Review of Action Points
available PR#42 Input from OGW Drop 4 | Presented slides: API-Overview-TelcoScore.pptx The API seems to not fit within KYC and new sg should be created. Support is required, feel free Scoring can be calculated both with any user registered in the telco. Less information means less scoring, Algorithm may be different for each of the implementators (MNO) ACTION: Toshi validate if This API may fit within KYC API family → The issue was raised but still under discussion →(Toshi's proposal 20240627) In API Backlog 20240613 meeting, Jorge TEF and Toshi KDDI agreed that the API does not fit within the existing KYC-SP. Then, in KYC-SP 20240625 meeting, that was shared within KYC-SP and there was no objection. Closed. Pending meeting with DT to seek for support. ACTION Noel to come back to TEF Telefonica manage to find the support of VDF (Kevin confirmed in the chat also) and DT if no objections. The name should be readressed, Jorge was prposing Telco Index to avoid using legal restrictions for using words "Credit" and "Scoring". Nick propose Telco Trust → Discussing this in the issue ofline. Tanja (note in chat on behalf of Release Mgmt): Reminder to not use Telco specific terms in API names. To avoid: Telco, operator, CSP, subscriber, customer, EMEI, UE, etc. Pending:
MEETING UPDATE: Pending maintainers | ||
Deutsche Telekom | Best Interconnection The API template is available in PR#88 Input from OGW Drop 3 | Seek for support ACTION: See if there is any overlap within EdgeCloud ACTION: Nick (centillion) to review with Noel (DT) about the match of use cases and consider support. DECISION API to be de-prioritised following de-prioritisation by OGW, but to remain in backlog. Issue to remain open. MEETING UPDATE: Not treated | |
Telefonica | New API proposal - Consent URL The API template is available PR#67 | The API proposal was presented, including additional slide info Discussion to follow offline in the issue/PR.
Huub Appelboom supports API proposal G. Murat Karabulut previously raised some concerns but seem clarified with last documentation. (uploaded in API PR#67 and also direct link) Pending: Proposal to be brought to TSC if no other concern is raised before end of week. MEETING UPDATE: under discussion in I&CM | |
China Mobile | Model As A Service Family The API template is available in PR#84 - MaaS (Model As A Service) Family | China Mobile presented the API ACTION: To include support from ZTE and Huawei. Proposals in good shape for been moved to TSC approval, Haojie Li asked for one additional round for more clarifications and comments. MEETING UPDATE: TSC approved, PR merged Pending group creation and maintainer assigning | |
China Mobile | Knowledge Base - Manage The API template is available in PR#84 - Knowledge Base - Manage |
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China Mobile | Q&A Assistant - Manage The API template is available in PR#84 - Q&A Assistant - Manage |
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China Mobile | Q&A Assistant - Service The API template is available in PR#84 - Q&A Assistant - Service |
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Telefonica | Fixed Lines in Location The API template is available in PR#92 | METING UPDATE: Issue in location |
Review of Action Points
AP # | AP Owner | AP description | Related issue | Status | |||
20240523-01 | API Backlog Governance | Backlog Governance to reach up TelecomXchange & Netfocusin to see if the could connect next meetings | Open | ||||
20240711-04 | MTN/Chenosis | IMEI Fraud: Check the material shared by Eric/GSMA regarding DeviceCheck, and validate the inclusion of the API in the Device Identifier group
Meeting Update: Waiting for more updates, any other operator open to join | Open | ||||
20240912-01 | Cablelabs | QualityByDesign:
| Open | ||||
20240926-01 | Telefonica | Telco Scoring
| Open | ||||
20240926-02 | Ericsson | Dedicated Networks
| Closed | ||||
20240926-03 | China Mobile | 5G New Calling
| Open | ||||
20240926-04 | Verizon | Device Management
| Open | ||||
20240926-05 | Vodafone | Scope Enhancement for Network info
| Open | ||||
20241010-01 | China Mobile | IP High-throughput Elastic Network
| Open | ||||
20241010-02 | ALL | IMEI Fraud
| 63 03 | China Mobile | 5G New Calling
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20240926-04 | Verizon | Device Management
| Closed NEW 20241024-02 | ||||
20241010-01 | China Mobile | IP High-throughput Elastic Network
Pending review from Kevin about responses in the PR. Jorge Garcia Hospital raised concerns about technology dependancy in this API proposal | Open | ||||
20241010-02 | ALL | IMEI Fraud
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20241024-01 | China Telecom | Clarifications required in IoT API Proposals | Open | ||||
20241024-02 | Verizon | Device Management
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20241024-03 | T-Mobile US | Capability and Runtime Restrictions Ask to G. Murat Karabulut to provide some examples where this API will be useful. To be revisited during the after-next TSC meeting . | Open |
Decision Points
DP # | DP description | Status |
1 | Increase backlog meeting duration from 1 to 1:30:
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2 | Move meeting schedule to UTC:
Or align with TSC:
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AoB
Proposal to extend meeting half hour (1:30 total) to accomodate all new APIs and also the track of existing.
Agreed
Next Backlog conf. call: 24th October, 15-16 CET/UTC+2.
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